Posts by life is to short

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When the WTS saw Catholic Church abuse being exposed

by Simon in

there was a time when the abuse issues in the catholic church were first starting to be exposed.. now, they were fully aware that they had the exact same issues that they too were covering up.. what did they choose to do?.

they could have "learnt" and said "man, that looks bad and we know we have the same problem - but at least we can learn something and put processes in place to make sure we clean up our act".. they could have done nothing themselves but refrained from criticized the catholic church knowing that they had the same skeletons in their own closet.. what did they actually do?.

they wen't full guns criticizing the catholics for something they knew they were completely guilty of as well, painting themselves as 'the good guys where this sort of thing would never happen' but the only processes they put in place were to tighten up how cover-ups were managed and to make sure the local elders knew how to silence any incidents.

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Thank you Simon for saying it so well. I totally agree that there is no way if there is a God that he would ever want them.

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Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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OC

I love what you said about changing silent lambs to roaring lions.

I have been forbidden to even mention the word pedophile to some ex JW's much less JW's. People just do not want to know. How can it be stopped unless its acknowledged? Just think if people had listened to the first victims of the Catholic Church, Penn state, Bill Crosby, etc how much pain could have been avoided. How much suffering and heart ache could have been avoided.

I just love it changing silent lambs to roaring lions.

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Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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I was wondering this myself. I was thinking about Bill Cosby and how that all just blew up. He he was looked to as the perfect father, moralist, the perfect person, loving husband, etc. Yet all that time, all of these women he had harmed were being shut down and told that they were lying. Now it's all come to light what the true Bill Crosby was. Even for those who do not really believe Bill could have done it, they have to admit that something was not right and Bill was not quite the moralist he led them to believe.

I have been wondering, hoping that might be the case with the JW's finally. People just do not want to hear about child abuse. They just do not want to know it happens and when the victims do come forward they want the victims to be proved to be lying. No one wants to accept the devastating affects of sexual abuse.

The Catholic Church is a prime example, Penn State, Bill Crosby, and I am truly hoping JW's. Everyone just wants to sweep it under the rug and maybe there will come a time when the rug will have to much dirt under it and it cannot hold anymore.

I can only hope we are on the tip of the iceberg.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

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amazing

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The Report - BBC Radio 4 about Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Sexual Abuse can now be heard

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

the report about child abuse and jehovah's witnesses is now live.. jehovah's witnesses handle child abuse cases.

jehovah's witnesses and child sexual abuse, the report - bbc radio 4 .

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Thank you so much Barbara. I am so glad that for all that you do.

Thank you, thank you.

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Does watchtower pay any workman's compensation or retirement funds for CO's

by wannaexit in

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years ago there was a thread about rumors that society was paying into a retirement fund for circuit overseers.

could any recent ex-bethelite confirm or deny.

here is the old thread:.

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Magnum

I feel the say way. How could those CO tell you young ones to not worry that the end was so close yad, yad, yad.

If I had been allowed to follow my heart instead of pioneering, going to Bethel, living on nothing for years and years. I would have gotten a decent job and I would be retired now myself. Instead I listened to them and now it looks like I will have to work until I am 72 at the earliest to retire.

I just do not understand how they can sleep well at night knowing what they did.

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"Don't you love Jehovah anymore then ?"

by Phizzy in

mrs phizzy ran into a jw lady from a neighbouring congo who has known us since we were teenagers, before we married, sometime in the pleistocene era lol.. during the conversation said lady asked if mrs phizzy was going to the r.c, to which mrs phizzy replied, "oh you haven't heard, we no longer go to meetings".. the jw lady then came back with the question in the thread title, which mrs phizzy handled well.. the point of this is though, what a god-awful, stupid, cult-minded question to ask !.

did she think we woke up one morning and thought "we don't love god anymore" ??

would that happen to anyone ?.

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I had a elder's wife ask me once when I was coming back to Jehovah? I looked at her puzzled and said I never knew I left Jehovah? I don't understand what in the world you are talking about. If you are wondering when I am coming back to meetings that would be when pedophiles are not allowed to go door to door any more and not hold children and interact with everyone the way they are now without parents being warned to at the very least watch their children.

She just said you need to wait on Jehovah and not jump ahead like you are. I swear you can not get through to these people. I just told Jehovah would never harm children like this and I am not jumping head by taking a clear stand especially when I was demanded by a CO to take a level 3 sex offender door to door, so you can believe what you want but not only is it morally wrong but even the law says that child molesters should not go door to door and I just do not have the money to pay if I got sued over it. I have to make a stand for what is right and to be true to myself that is what Jehovah is asking of me and that is what I am doing. I am sorry you feel that I have left Jehovah but I have not.

She just looked at me blankly and changed the subject.

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Sam Herd’s comment on the 2001 Dateline expose

by Londo111 in

im going by memory, so not an exact quote...i believe this was around 2002, at the crownsville assembly hall (now sold from what i understand)..

he said basically: some people watch an hour show and give up the faith that theyve had for decades..

the impact of this show was like a canon being shot into a swimming pool.

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I did just want to add one more thing to this.

Barbara has been so wonderful, beyond wonderful. She is so caring and really put herself out. When this show aired I was a really true believer. I had been abused by my parents who were quasi JW's and I rationalized that no one knew because it all happened behind closed doors.

The night this Dateline aired I had been having issues with my elders about my needing to take care of my parents and I had mentioned that I had been abused by them. Little did I know that I was touching the tip of an iceberg. I was finding it hard that my elders seemed to be siding with my parents, I was so hurt and confused. Here I was an elder's wife, pioneer, been to Bethel, etc and yet I was not being believed.

When this show aired we did not have even a computer in our home. This is so long ago now but it seems just like yesterday. I went to the local library which has free computers to use. I looked up silent lambs. I was shaking so hard and so afraid that someone would see what I was doing in such a public place. Man that seems so long ago now. I was shocked by what I saw. Just writing this is making me cry, I was so scared and hurt at that time it was unreal.

My mom died in 2003 and my dad in 2005. They were the worst years of my life in some ways,but I was still a very hurt but devout JW even though my elder husband and I switched halls largely due to how hurtful the elders had been to me over my parents. Finally in 2007 we had a pedophile move into the hall we were attending. I could no longer hide from myself that my case was just a fluke.

I wanted to get a hold of Barbara but did not know how. We had finally gotten a computer in 07 and I knew nothing about how to really use them. I somehow contacted Bill Bowen. He was so rude to me and hurtful. I had asked for help to get a hold of Barbara and he just went off to me in an email. Bill pushed me right back into the JW's.

It took me another two years to figure out how to reach Barbara. She has been so kind and wonderful.

The last thing someone needs who has been sexually abused is to be talked down to and belittled. It's just been such a hard road. I thought I had made some friends here who were ex JW's. They had not been sexually abused they left over the 587, 607 thing.

It is like we came from two different worlds, all they wanted to do was talk about 587 for hours and hours and hours and send me tons of prints outs on it. All I wanted to do was talk about the pedophiles and how unjust it is being handled.

Everyone leaves for different reasons and different hurts. Bill Bowen I just do not understand, even now thinking back to that email he sent it still makes my stomach flip. It took me so much courage just to contact him through silent lambs and for him to get so angry with me? I wish I had printed it out to keep but we did not even have a printer at the time and that email is lost.

I am just so glad that there are kind ones out there like Barbara. Because I know only two well how hurtful words can drive someone right back into the arms of the WT.

There is a saying that I just love and it says "people may not remember what you said or did but they will always remember how you made them feel."

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Sam Herd’s comment on the 2001 Dateline expose

by Londo111 in

im going by memory, so not an exact quote...i believe this was around 2002, at the crownsville assembly hall (now sold from what i understand)..

he said basically: some people watch an hour show and give up the faith that theyve had for decades..

the impact of this show was like a canon being shot into a swimming pool.

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Thank you so much Barbara. I will never forget the night this was on. We had just come from the meeting and I just stumbled across this by accident while flipping through stations. Though I did not leave the religion at the time this dateline story never left me and when I faced it in my own hall I knew it was true my world just crashed in on me. What I find amazing now is how many ex JW's do not want to know or hear it or talk about it. I was forbidden to even mention it to some ex JW's. I just do not understand why people want to bury their heads over this but I am so thankful for ones like you who speak out.

All I can say is thank you so much for all you do and all that you have helped.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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Thank you mille.